Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin
 

First pictures of the Silver Philharmonic Bullion coin are available, pricing seems to be similar to Eagle and Maple:

http://www.Silber-Philharmoniker.de

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Sweet. Who do I have to kill to get one?

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ask a coin dealer... :-)

I will get them from http://www.CoinInvestDirect.com

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Nice! Me wantee! :D

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Good News. I love the Philharmonics.

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Philharmonics are my favorite gold and now I just found my favorite silver. :s9:

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I'm personally fond of the pretty yellow ones... not that I own any, of course.

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Looks like these guys BUY as well as sell silver in the UK? What do they mean by the "Buy", "Netto" and "Brutto" prices?

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Did they just come out? I've never heard of them before but that doesn't necessarily mean anything.

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official issue date is Feb. 1st, meanwhile you will find them at the Austrian Mints website: www.Austrian-mint.at

You also can find them at: http://www.China-coins.com , but homepage is only in German. He will send to UK and USA, is able to speak English and Chinese, ask for "Claus"

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Yes, they are new. According to that site they will deliver the first ones on February 4th.

Edit:Here is the link to the coin at the Austrian Mint site
http://www.austrian-mint.at/cms/cms....5jh6khjnrthce4

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The Silver Philharmonic is actually quite significant. Apart from the silver Britannia, which is way too expensive, this is the first contemporary European silver bullion coin.

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Is it .999 silver?

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Yes, 1 troy oz .999

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Will they b available in the US? I got to get me some of these.

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Netto: without tax (VAT)
Brutto: with tax

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My invoice showed them charging me the VAT. Is that proper for a customer from the USA?

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Why couldn't they have started making these 2 years ago! :P
Anyone know if APMEX is going to carry them eventually?
...or any other US based dealers?

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I'm not absolutely sure about this, but I think that you shouldn't have to pay VAT.

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Their own web site says that VAT is for customers from the European Union. Moreover, I placed the order Thursday evening here in the US. We're in the midst of a heavy snow storm (10-14 inches) and I'll probably be snowed in Friday morning because my car is parked in an alley garage in the middle of the block (I'll be lucky if it gets ploughed Friday at all). They want their funds wired to them BEFORE 04.02.2008. I don't think I can get it done that quickly. Looks like I'll be cancelling my order and waiting for the coins to become available from a US dealer.

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There's a dealer a couple of blocks from where I work. I walk in every couple of weeks to check and mentioned the silver Philharmonic. He hadn't heard of them. Didn't surprise me. His prices are $3-$4 higher than other shops here for maples, plus you have to add 5% tax (never could understand being taxed to buy govn't money). He said he had a connection in Europe, but it will probably be 35$ for a bullion ounce coin. Not!

I periodically go south of the border here. So I have started to buy 2-3 SAEs or prospectors a trip, better prices and no tax, and stick them with my change in my pocket as I cross the border.

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Um ... there's no GST on bullion in Canada. You're getting hosed.

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Sorry, meant 7% (Provincial tax)

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I spoke to apmex. They will be carrying them but they said it might be a couple of months before they have them in.

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@ Merlin

In order to avoid the VAT as a foreign retail buyer you will, in all likelihood, have to buy the stuff in the country and upon leaving you will have to prove that you live outside the European Union. If it were not that way all European citizens would order their stuff via a foreign address to get around the VAT.

BUT: the Austrian mint has a North American Agent - maybe this a better way to obtain European silver coins:

Austria

Mint Name: Euro Collections International Inc
Description: North American Agent
Address: 621 Discovery St., Suite 727 Victoria, BC, CANADA V8W 2P9
Telephone :1-888-904-5544
Fax: 1-250-658-1455
E-mail :info@eurocollections.com


sincerely

Horst

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Well, that doesn't work well for me. I'm not currently in Europe. I'm in Indiana.

Thank you Horst. After paying 7% VAT + the $45 cost of a wire transfer of funds + cost of the coins themselves, ordering from Europe is not really a cost-effective way to buy bullion -- even if the coins themselves are very beautiful.

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I am hoping we can shorten the couple of months to a few weeks. As soon as we have some, I will post here.

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just don't send em to pcgs and sell em ms70 for $300 :tongue_ma:

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Great news! Thanks, Scott!

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No problem....... We should have plenty!

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No help for us poor abandoned folk up in Canuckistan tho *wink**wink**nudge**nudge*

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If you send me one for free, I'll post a shot of it here on the off chance that it will induce a couple of folks to buy some. :bear_w00t:

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You shameless hustler :wink:

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Tom,

I am in Germany as we type. I expect to return on Wednesday and will FED-EX you one when I get back. Send me a direct with your address and you will have it on Thursday.

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I will take 20 when they come in, let me know.

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Hell yeah I'm shameless, look at what it just got me. :applause_:applause_:applause_

Now if I can just figure how to pull that trick with some gold!

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Good for you, TomD. Your spectacular photos speak for themselves. But, let us be clear, it is the quality of your work that gets results -- definitely not a con. The rest of us are jealous though.

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That was some Reserved Engineering.:D

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Awesome, very cool... TomD definitely deserves something for his fantastic photography! He has induced me to buy coins before based off his photos....

Thanks for the updates, Scott.

I am also looking forward to the silver Phils becoming available here, will definitely have to pick a few up, I just hope the prices are reasonable (in line with SAEs or whatever).

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Speaking of TomD and Austrian Philharmonics (this time, the gold variety), it was his photographs posted here that induced me to buy my first 1oz Philharmonic back in October last year. He does great work.

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Look into my picture---you are getting sleepy----very sleepy---see the nice coin------the coin is worth $200-----the coin is worth $200-----the coin is worth $200--- when you awaken, you will buy the coin

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x...LunarMouse.jpg

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The good folks at coininvestdirect.com cancelled my original invoice with the VAT and re-issued a new invoice with no tax. When I placed the order, I did not realize they would require a wire transfer for payment (which any thinking person would have anticipated -- I'm a dummy!) So, even though the price of silver has dropped and the cost of the wire transfer and shipping make the cost of the bullion coins higher than I would like, I'm doing the honorable thing and completing the transaction. The rest of you might be smart to wait for APMEX. I'm sure that's the more cost-effective route.

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Always had reliable service from coininvestdirect.com here in UK.

Definately recommended. :thumbs up

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I can see why; they have been very responsive. But the wire transfer is costing me $45 and the shipping is more than $22. That's quite a hefty transaction fee for 20 ounces of silver :) And it's all TomD's fault for seducing me with the Austrian Philharmonic in the first place! Now he's tempting me with that damned mouse.

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We have placed an initial order for some coins. If you would like some, please send me a private message and I will hold a few back for you. No more that 20 coins per at this point because I am not sure if or when I will even receive my order. Also, I will not lock in any prices until we have them in our hand. Once we put them on our site, I will let you know and provide a link so you can buy them.

They are BEAUTIFUL! They come packaged similar to the Gold Buffalo coins in sheets of 20 and induvidual heat sealed squares.

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Do you know the approximate price range? Will they be priced in the Britannia and Panda range or more like Maples and Silver Eagles?

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A "year of the mouse" coin showing rats?!?

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Rats? Mice? Nothing nearly as cute as a Raccoon!

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I thought it was a Year of the Rat coin showing a mouse.

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All the twelve animals gathered at the river bank and jumped in. Unknown to the ox, the mouse had jumped upon his back. As the ox was about to jump ashore, the mouse jumped off the ox's back, and won the race. The pig, who was very lazy, ended up last. That is why the mouse is the first year of the animal cycle, the ox second, and the pig last. <o:p></o:p>

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It hadn't dawned on me that there is no mouse in the Chinese Zodiac. Thanks for pointing that out Tom and Racoon.

It's a shame the Perth Mint is kicking off Lunar Series II as awkwardly as they wrapped up Series I. But, I still haven't seen the new ones in person, so I may still collect a one and two ounce coin each year they're issued.

I can't wait for these Ag Phils, at any rate. I'm also really curious what kind of price range to expect, so I can know how many to try to reserve without jacking around anyone.

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OK, so here's a clue. coininvestdirect.com in the UK is selling the Phils this morning for US$20.36 and the silver American Eagles for US$21.44. So, I can't speak for APMEX or any other US distributor; but it looks like they will be priced competitively with Eagles and Maples.

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For people in the European Union that are interested to buy the coin, I can suggest the following shop:
http://www.muenzenmueller.de
You end up paying the low 7% German VAT instead of the 20% VAT of other countries (Italy, for example).
I found the shop on this site:
http://www.bullionpage.de
that allows you to compare prices (ask and bid) of bullion coins in many countries.

Unless you are planning to travel to Austria, where the gold and silver Wiener Philharmoniker are on sale at the national bank, as far as I know.

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They are listed on apmex now.:s9:

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Damn, that was fast.

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Here is the link to buy these directly. They are nice!

http://www.apmex.com/Category/595/20...harmonics.aspx

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That's a dirt cheap price for a pretty coin too.

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bought 10 of em and paid $21.14 each factoring in shipping :shocked_ma:

bought all the years of kookaburras and paid $23 and $24 each :shocked_ma:

These are going to be passed down and are not for investment but for pleasure.

I really enjoy looking at the kooks hope I like these too

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http://www.austrian-mint.at/images/c...-Startbild.gif

I love this coin, thank you APMEX for offering! Great service!

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Just received my silver Philharmonics today. Very nice coin. I think I'll save one aside for my "pocket coin". :D